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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 17:49:12 GMT -5
Since this is the second time I have seen a deal vetoed (believe other was Knicks-Pacers {then Kings}, I have one question.
Where were the vetos when a previous Bulls owner traded Rose for trash???
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Post by TrailDucker on Jul 4, 2012 18:01:12 GMT -5
I can remember who drafted him in the Inaugral Draft, but I don't think it was Chicago
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Post by TrailDucker on Jul 4, 2012 18:04:23 GMT -5
Besides we were too lenient and inconsistant on trades at the beginning, it took an internal discussion in the league and some time for our standards to even out and become more consistent
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Post by NAUHurdler on Jul 4, 2012 18:28:04 GMT -5
I feel your pain Chicago...my team was decimated by horrible trades that I have no idea what the previous owner was thinking or how it got approved...I mean a first round pick for JOSH CHILDRESS!!??! I guess even the mods must have been off there game on that day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 23:48:17 GMT -5
From closed thread 'Ummm....I think it's kinda obvious what "untradeable" means. It pretty much means you had better come hard....king's ransom hard....at a player to even make the owner think about trading him away. No one is truly untouchable and to think so, even tho it may be state in a trade block, is either foolish or shortsighted or both. ' i admit i spit some stuff out of anger and im sorry about that. but untradable to me is dont ask, its not even on the table. if it is 'come strong' then label it as hard to get or super hard to get. guess i am foolish then because i wasnt going to waste time sending an offer to someone for something untradable. 'king's ransom hard' - funny, i did this with minnys 4th and it didnt pass. that was exactly the impression i got from him it would take. i guess you cant go 'king's ransom hard' because that is a veto waiting to happen. excuse me while i go be foolish or shortsighted or bothThe sarcasm wasn't lost on me. I was just being honest. Do you honestly think anything in life is fixed in stone as something you can't part with. Aside from the saying "true love is" or something like that, well, everything has a price. So yes, it is short sighted to think otherwise. If someone has someone listed as untouchable I just know my initial offer better be darn strong. And heck, if the other owner accepts it and we post it and the Mod group deems it veto worthy.....guess what.....then I take it like a man (no matter what side of the deal I am on) and accept it. Don't like the Mod's voting....well....petition to become a Mod then. Join the group and vote on them. I know I am a Mod currently, but chances are I won't be for the next season. I trust that we have level headed ownership in this league so whoever are Mods I would trust would set potential bias, etc. aside and vote on the merit of the trades. If you become a Mod, that is what I would expect from you. And if you veto voted a deal of mine then I wouldn't question your motives. I would accept it and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 2:03:56 GMT -5
Since this is the second time I have seen a deal vetoed (believe other was Knicks-Pacers {then Kings}, I have one question. Where were the vetos when a previous Bulls owner traded Rose for trash??? There's a couple of reasons. Rose at that time wasn't a top 40 player, so while it may look insane now, it wasn't as bad back then. I do agree it was still a bad trade, but as explained, the league and mods needed some time to figure out what framework and freedom we wanted/needed to use regarding vetoes. If you want things to change, make it happen. We are a pretty free league and everyone is able to run for mod (especially now, nominations for mods are now open), so you can join the decisions that shape this league. I know I did, partly because I had some different opinions on what we currently do in the league. If you feel the same, don't just complain, but help to make it better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 7:29:53 GMT -5
This goes out to everyone:
We, as a league, must have regulations in respect to trading. There are multiple reasons as to why we vote on trades that may exceed the scope of what many realize. We vote on trades to ensure that the property being traded is property of the teams involved, to ensure that the trade conforms to roster limits, to verify salary figures so that teams do not exceed the salary cap, and to attempt to preserve a competitive balance in the league/ protect the interest of the owners.
I certainly understand the concerns with tanking, but the argument that if tanking is allowed then we should not veto trades, is absurd. In the trade between MIN and DAL, let's be honest, it was not close in terms of equality. I understand the motives to want to rebuild and get rid of "veteran" players, but you have to do some in an equal manner. I started in this league with LeBron James and Joe Johnson. As a Cleveland fan, I dumped LeBron for Westbrook, Hickson and some draft picks. This trend continued as I traded more players for more youth and draft picks (see my transactions for more info). My point is, I formed my team without trading away assets for nothing.
I reshaped my team with a goal of a total rebuild. I went after Kyrie Irving and draft picks in this deep draft class. Once I had my draft picks in place, I wanted to be in the best possible position to get high draft picks. So my point is that you can do what you want to your team, just make sure that your trades are fair and balanced.
I am not posting this to take a shot at anyone or say that my team should be the model team-- those are not my intentions at all. What I am saying is that we need to have trade evaluation in place. Get creative with your teams- it's fantasy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 9:29:23 GMT -5
No worries mavs, and no apology needed as I see it was just a miscommunication. I just had added "spunk" yesterday, not a bad thing....usually. I shouldn't have come off like that. Continue being shortsighted and foolish....kidding....kidding....kidding. I do see where you are coming from and don't view you like that...and didn't before....so I shouldn't have said it cause it sorta labeled you that. I just think that every player is fair game for me to persue. I rarely look longer than a second at trade block upgrades and I go straight to the roster instead of the trade block when I am PM'ed about a trade. I don't even know if Dirk was untradable or not on the Suns trade block. Never looked. Just demanded him back in a trade...multiple times....and eventually the Suns decided to move him. Just different trade methods.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 13:06:29 GMT -5
FYI, I was mostly just trying to be funny and I wasn't really looking for an answer about a trade that happened like 2 years ago. I failed in my attempt.
(Don't get me wrong, that was still a horrible trade in my mind even pre-MVP season Rose but I wasn't really trying to spark anything serious with my question)
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Post by NAUHurdler on Jul 5, 2012 15:55:11 GMT -5
Dirk was on the block as is everyone else on my team including picks! Have at it!
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Post by moltreszwarriors (Shock GM) on Jul 5, 2012 20:06:42 GMT -5
As a candidate for moderator, I wanted to state my position on trade approval just so people can know. Anyway, I am a firm believer in free trade without regulation, and this applies in fantasy leagues as well. Obviously, there are some scenarios that can go out of hand and should be vetoed (like the original Mavs-Lakers trade proposed), but for the most part I believe that the value of the player is what the market directs it is, and that owners should be given freedom to make mistakes unless the deal is particularly grotesque.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 20:11:09 GMT -5
As a candidate for moderator, I wanted to state my position on trade approval just so people can know. Anyway, I am a firm believer in free trade without regulation, and this applies in fantasy leagues as well. Obviously, there are some scenarios that can go out of hand and should be vetoed (like the original Mavs-Lakers trade proposed), but for the most part I believe that the value of the player is what the market directs it is, and that owners should be given freedom to make mistakes unles What I was thinking...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 20:11:16 GMT -5
Did moltresz die mid-sentence?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 20:12:26 GMT -5
CAN WE PLEASE DO CAMPAIGNS FOR MOD SPOTS!?!? I WANT DEBATES, ATTACK ADS, VOTER FRAUD, THE WORKS! THIS WOULD BE AWESOME!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 20:42:59 GMT -5
I pledge, if named a mod as a write in candidate, that I will not watch over a division and only vote on trades and resigns and participate in Mod private discussions on league matters.
Oh, and I ain't kissing no babies either.
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