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Post by Mighty Mouse on May 16, 2011 8:42:32 GMT -5
Discuss trades here. This is not the place to NEGOTIATE a trade (do that through PM or other means). This is a place to discuss submitted proposals, the voting process, or trades that have already been approved or denied.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 9:34:04 GMT -5
While I can find reason in how my trade for Melo wouldn't be enough, I can argue the opposite of the current trade that includes Washington. I think 2 very high first round pick, a 2nd overall picked player and an old Stud is way too much for 1 star player to a team that has no use for a star player without any other significant players. I think it's a very dangerous move for Washington, one that could potentially destroy the team. Instead a more appropriate strategy would to target young players like Turner and the potentially high first round pick, which he is trading away.
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Post by cavsmax5 on Jun 15, 2011 9:42:43 GMT -5
i have to agree. when i first saw the deal i thought the same thing. i personally think turner will have a great 2012 with iguodala most likely gone and an improved jumper. he said he was gonna put some arc on it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 11:11:23 GMT -5
First of all, Nash is done, period. He's worthless to my team. I have the 2# pick this year so I feel I can deal my pick next year to land a superstar. Turner, however valuable he is, was a huge disappointment last year, some compare him to how Beasley was a disappointment. This is, in my opinion, a great move for my team.
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Post by cavsmax5 on Jun 15, 2011 12:29:13 GMT -5
ya but beasley improved and beasley didnt have andre iguodala basically in the same kind of position turner likes to be in- a facilitator/scorer. turner will improve. and nash is basically a dump which is why i dont understand the point in him being dealt to Dallas when they are clearly rebuilding.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 13:12:31 GMT -5
Yeah I understand him not being of much value to you, but you can still easily get something good for him from a contender. And just because you have 1 good pick year doesn't mean your other picks in next years are worthless. You're throwing away almost all your assets for 1 superstar that can't help you win in the near future without a team around him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 18:19:29 GMT -5
If you are a believer that Irving or D-Will be all-star level talents as they mature then you have to view this team as having two cornerstones to build around (one of these guys plus Melo'). Sure, Turner could be a future all-star level talent as well, but if you don't believe in the guy, then, he becomes more likely to be traded. Obviously, he does not believe in Turner. The two future firsts could be high, or sorta high....or they could have bad lottery luck. Then you have to pick the right player with those picks. Not easy to do. I seem to either have luck or a knack for it, so that is why I went that route. But first round picks are still a gamble.
Also, we get 3-resigns in every 5-year period. Right now I don't see a third resign worthy guy on the roster. However, I don't think this sets this franchise back. It gives them a stud player to build around that is still relatively young. Not a bad deal.
I for one would have been involved in the bidding process for Melo'. But, I have three players on my roster that I feel will be worthy resign guys, so, that lessened the desire to get into the fray. But I can see why a team would do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 20:19:01 GMT -5
I know it isn't as "sexy" or "controversial" as the Melo' trade hoopla, but.......there is a 3-team trade that has been agreed to for awhile that has had exactly zero voting love. Show the love. Make a vote.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 20:22:37 GMT -5
While I can find reason in how my trade for Melo wouldn't be enough, I can argue the opposite of the current trade that includes Washington. I think 2 very high first round pick, a 2nd overall picked player and an old Stud is way too much for 1 star player to a team that has no use for a star player without any other significant players. I think it's a very dangerous move for Washington, one that could potentially destroy the team. Instead a more appropriate strategy would to target young players like Turner and the potentially high first round pick, which he is trading away.That is your opinion. Honestly, I think it is fair value for Melo. I think that Nash can still contribute (notice his FG%, FT%, APG, and 3PM). So, while I think that it is a move that could pay HUGE dividends for both sides. With that said, the trading of the picks is a risk in itself. Those picks have never stepped foot on the court, so how can we know that they will produce busts or all stars? I think it is a pretty fair offer...I don't think that Washington overpaid for Melo at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 1:50:34 GMT -5
While I can find reason in how my trade for Melo wouldn't be enough, I can argue the opposite of the current trade that includes Washington. I think 2 very high first round pick, a 2nd overall picked player and an old Stud is way too much for 1 star player to a team that has no use for a star player without any other significant players. I think it's a very dangerous move for Washington, one that could potentially destroy the team. Instead a more appropriate strategy would to target young players like Turner and the potentially high first round pick, which he is trading away.That is your opinion. Honestly, I think it is fair value for Melo. I think that Nash can still contribute (notice his FG%, FT%, APG, and 3PM). So, while I think that it is a move that could pay HUGE dividends for both sides. With that said, the trading of the picks is a risk in itself. Those picks have never stepped foot on the court, so how can we know that they will produce busts or all stars? I think it is a pretty fair offer...I don't think that Washington overpaid for Melo at all. Yeah you don't have to point out it's my opinion, that's why I share it and start the sentence with "I think". Long story short, I just feel this is a big price to pay for Melo, especially since in my opinion it goes against the team's needs, being a 2-15 team. Even if Irving/Dwill become star players at one point, the won't be right away so the picks given up are still highly likely high lottery picks, and I think a rebuilding team should be careful dealing those because in them lie the future. There's just so much more that I think Washington could get with the assets he gives up, that settling for 1 player that will be past his prime by the time he needs him doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 11:20:28 GMT -5
Melo's proven. My pick next year will be high, he's never played an NBA game, by 2014 I think I'll be a top 10-15 team so it won't be high either. Simple as that. And yes, I don't like Turner, just my opinion. Not like I was blowing up my assets, I really didn't have any, my team sucked when I got it, Turner, Nash, Flynn, and I everyone one else a bunch of waiver guys to fill in if someone gets injured. Doesn't sound like assets to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 11:21:24 GMT -5
How many votes does it take to pass a trade??
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Post by Munich Barons GM on Jun 16, 2011 13:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 15:27:45 GMT -5
You guys think this deal is so bad for me you approve it before Boston has accepted?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 23:28:04 GMT -5
Thought it was a good trade for both parties. Certainly entrenched Amst. as a major contendor and helps Boston for the future.
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