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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 21:29:46 GMT -5
Fuck that WNBA lookalike. I hate Olynk.
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Post by NAUHurdler on Apr 27, 2015 7:52:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Love thinking that he intentionally hurt him is insane to me. Love was just as tied up as Kelly was, fluke accident in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 8:35:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Love thinking that he intentionally hurt him is insane to me. Love was just as tied up as Kelly was, fluke accident in my opinion. Sent from The Office of the Phoenix Suns General Manager Uh, no. Watch it again. Olynyk was not making a play on the ball. He pinned Love's arm, then used his other hand to yank the shit out of it. He may not have intended to dislocate his shoulder, but he sure wasn't making a basketball play. I just don't understand how anyone can watch that play and come away thinking it was just something that happens in basketball. It's like when that Wade take down of Rondo happened, and every just said they got tangled up. Sorry, but you don't accidentally sweep the leg, just like you don't accidentally put someone in an arm bar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 8:50:32 GMT -5
Nah I disagree with you there. Love wraps up Olynyk's arm first and they get tangled up. Sure it was a foul but that sorta thing happens all the time in the NBA it was just a fluke his shoulder got dislocated. Certainly wasn't intentional and what Perkins and JR Smith did was a lot dirtier than what Olynyk did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:01:03 GMT -5
I'm probably biased since I'm a C's fan, but Olynyk is one of the more level headed guys I've seen. Whiteside hit him on a very dirty play earlier in the year and he wasn't even mad. I just think it was a very unfortunate play and I'm sure Olynyk feels awful about it, he's reportedly been trying to contact love. There arms get tangled up (which Love initiated) and when they continue to fight for the ball, Olynyk tries to pull him away from the ball, and that is when the shoulder gets dislocated, which is a very fluky play to me.
But anyways I do feel awful for Love, but I'm optimistic he won't miss too many games. Sounds like the Cavs will have a week or so off before their next series Vs the Bulls so hopefully Love will only end up missing a couple games, not the whole series.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Apr 27, 2015 11:12:53 GMT -5
It's playoff basketball. Dirty stuff happens every trip down the floor. I've been watching Z-Bo and Aldridge pummel each other off the ball the whole series. Tyson Chandler and Dwight Howard have been doing the same thing. Kicks, shoves, scratches, pulls, whatever. It's all dirty. It's all a foul. But it's also part of the game in the playoffs.
Olynyk didn't intentionally dislocate Love's arm, it just happened. He intentionally yanked on it, sure, but if Love doesn't get hurt on the play this isn't news. Just an unlucky break for Love and the Cavs. That is all.
It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Well, it's all "playoff basketball" until someone gets hurt, then you're a dirty player who is headhunting and trying to injure the other team. That is silly. I'm not saying Olynyk did nothing wrong, but I am saying that "everyone does it" is actually a legit excuse in this case. Everyone (including Love) DOES do it. This instance just had a fluky and unfortunate result.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 11:57:57 GMT -5
Don't think KO meant to dislocate it, but that's not a basketball play. It was a "basketball play" until KO grabbed Love's wrist and pulled away. Yeah, it happens all the time, but not like that. I do think that KO, once wrapped up and realizing he would t get the ball, had an intent to injure Love or at least try to injure him.
You can see the maliciousness in his face. KO may be a level headed guy, but that doesn't mean he wasn't frustrated because his team was getting whopped all series.
When a guy is running to his right and you have hold of his left arm -across your body- the. You grab his wrist and pull him in the opposite direction of his momentum, what do you expect? His intent was clear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 12:45:37 GMT -5
I'm probably biased since I'm a C's fan, but Olynyk is one of the more level headed guys I've seen. Whiteside hit him on a very dirty play earlier in the year and he wasn't even mad. I just think it was a very unfortunate play and I'm sure Olynyk feels awful about it, he's reportedly been trying to contact love. There arms get tangled up (which Love initiated) and when they continue to fight for the ball, Olynyk tries to pull him away from the ball, and that is when the shoulder gets dislocated, which is a very fluky play to me.But anyways I do feel awful for Love, but I'm optimistic he won't miss too many games. Sounds like the Cavs will have a week or so off before their next series Vs the Bulls so hopefully Love will only end up missing a couple games, not the whole series. I'm sorry, but this is just factually incorrect. Yes, they get tangled initially. It happens. Love pins and let's go because he's going for the ball. Olynyk pins, then grabs with his other hand and yanks down on Love's arm. It's clear as day. If they were both in position to get the ball, then maybe you have an argument, but they weren't. Love had already reached the ball, and Olynyk yanked the hell out of his arm to pull him away. Do I think he meant to dislocated his shoulder? I don't think so. At least, I'd hope not. But it wasn't a basketball play by any stretch of the imagination. Frankly, the officiating was terrible all series, and anyone could see it was going to boil over. The refs did not control the situation, and they let physicality get out of hand. I get that it's playoff basketball, but this is the shit that happens if you flat refuse to call stuff. Perk should have been ejected on the spot. That was ridiculous that they let him stay in the game AND gave a tech to Crowder. The JR play I'd tough because I don't condone what he did. He'll get suspended, and he should. I will say that I don't think he was going for a knockout blow like that, but it did happen, and the officials have to take some of the blame. Crowder flat shoves JR in the back about four times with no call. Finally, JR gets sick of it, and swings. Again, he'll be rightfully suspended, but if the refs had been doing their jobs, this wouldn't have happened. (I'm starting a rant here, so be prepared)
I also loved the constant Boston slurping by Tirico and Hubie, as well as many in the national media. Tirico and Hubie were this close to flat out rooting for Boston on the air. At one point, I thought Tirico was going to get on his knees in front Stevens with the way he was talking about him. The best part was when Tirico went on and on about how he picked Stevens as his coach of the year, and then in the biggest spot of the game, Stevens ran a play for Luigi Datome. I mean, good God, you would have thought they pushed the Cavs to 7 with the press they were getting. Newsflash: the got swept. The Cavs were never in any real danger in any of the four games. Want to know how many times Boston led in the second half? 0. That's right. They never held one second-half lead. I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure that hasn't been the case in any other series. Then in the LeBron/Irving presser, the questions from the Boston media were classics. "LeBron, what did you learn/can you say about how hard Jae Crowder played?" "LeBron, what do you think of the job Brad Stevens did?" Christ, get over yourselves. You could tell by the look on LeBron's face that he was thinking, "Are you guys serious right now?" I also love all the play that Brad "Boy Wonder" Stevens is getting. Greatest sweep of all-time. He did a great job of getting consistently outcoached by "first-time coach" David Blatt. Say what you want about the talent gap between the two teams, but the Cavaliers consistently came out and made the necessary halftime adjustments. The Celtics didn't. The Celtics made a nice run yesterday... after the Cavs lost two starters. Maybe this seems a little harsh or unwarranted, but the build up all year has been that David Blatt isn't a good coach, he's arrogant, he doesn't know what it will take to win in the NBA. All a load of crap. Meanwhile, all we hear about Brad Stevens is how great he is. How he made the playoffs with nothing (which is hilarious to me, because those same guys that say Brad did something with nothing are the same ones that claim Boston has talent and a bright future. Well, which is it? Are the Celtics an overachieving group that isn't that good? Or do they actually have talent? Make up your damn minds). To see Blatt come out and coach circles around Stevens, and get zero praise, while everyone fawned over Brad was hilarious. Oh, and how about that Boston bench! They're so deep! *handwank motion* Yeah, Isaiah had a couple of good games in 1 and 2. What happened after that? The Cavs made the adjustments and shut him down. Isaiah shot 33% from the floor, 17% from the three in the four games. Eric Snow is cringing at those numbers. In the grand scheme of things, the Cavs won this series rather easily, yet all people want to talk about is how gritty those Celtics were. Give me a break. The only team that got beat more thoroughly than them was Toronto, and at least Toronto forced OT in game 1. And as far as this story about Love looking to go to Boston (which makes total sense, by the way. Why play with two best of the best players in the NBA and compete for championships, when you can play with Isaiah Thomas while hoping to land a good draft pick? Clearly a no-brainer), you can forget about that. You know Kevin Love heard those fans cheering his leaving with an injury yesterday. If we could hear it on the broadcast, you best your ass he heard it. And while I think the scenario was pie in the sky to begin with, there's no shot of it now. Kevin Love seems like MJ in the sense that he has no problem holding grudges. (RANT OVER)
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Post by NAUHurdler on Apr 27, 2015 15:34:58 GMT -5
I'm totally sure in the 1.2 seconds of time that passed between being "locked up" and then not being locked up that Kelly totally thought to himself, "This is my chance to hurt him!" Yeah Kevin, he planned it in 1.2 seconds. Sorry but again in situations like that in which big bodies are going at it, shit happens so fast no one has time to even think. I watched it many times along with the TNT guys and just as they thought, I don't see anything intentional in regards to injuring someone. Physical play? Sure, it's a freaking box out what do you expect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 16:21:09 GMT -5
I'm totally sure in the 1.2 seconds of time that passed between being "locked up" and then not being locked up that Kelly totally thought to himself, "This is my chance to hurt him!" Yeah Kevin, he planned it in 1.2 seconds. Sorry but again in situations like that in which big bodies are going at it, shit happens so fast no one has time to even think. I watched it many times along with the TNT guys and just as they thought, I don't see anything intentional in regards to injuring someone. Physical play? Sure, it's a freaking box out what do you expect. Sent from The Office of the Phoenix Suns General Manager Why do people act like these guys don't know what they are doing? These guys are professional athletes. They don't just shut their brains off when they're playing. Hell, Marcellus Wiley was on Twitter talking about how what Olynyk did is exactly what NFL players would do to hurt someone. Look, we've all played basketball (at least, I hope we have). I don't know about you, but I knew where the line was. I knew exactly what I could get away with, and sometimes I crossed that line. I never went out there looking to hurt someone, but when you cross that line, you don't really care in the moment. If something bad happens, you may feel really bad almost immediately, but when it's happening? Nothing. But really, for me, it comes back the original conclusion that it was a normal basketball play. If you watch that, and come away thinking it's a normal basketball play... I'm sorry, but I seriously question your judgment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 19:11:41 GMT -5
Okay I get you getting frustrated at all the Stevens love. Even as a Celtics fan I have gotten a little sick of it. But that doesn't take away from the fact he has coached great this year. The Celtics traded what everybody thought was their two best players, and took a group of guys with not much talent and turned them into a 24-12 team the last 36. You can say that they didnt beat that many good teams, but They still went 24-12. Thats not easy with to do in the NBA. I think its pretty ridiculous to say he was coach of the year, and I think its fair to still be unsure how good of a coach he will actually be in the future, but he deserves credit for coaching up this team.
Honestly I think its pretty laughable to say Stevens got coached in circles by Blatt. Kyrie and Lebron scored every point in Cleveland's 4th quarter one game. Thats not out coaching someone, thats just having far and away superior players. What adjustments did you expect Stevens to make? There aren't many things to do when your team is just overwhelmed like Boston was in this series. The Cavs do so much isolation plays it's pretty ridiculous. I was pretty surprised by how many times lebron just held the ball until 5 seconds left on the shot clock and just hosted a jumper (worked a lot of the time, but he can get much better looks). That is not good coaching at all. I am not trying to say Blatt is a terrible coach or anything, but he certainly didn't "coach circles around Stevens". Also on that Gigi Datome play, Gigi has actually been Boston's far and away best 3pt shooter this year, and he got a decent look. Boston really lacks 3pt shooting, and he got a decent shooter a decent look. Not sure what else you were expecting there.
As far as the Celtics future I'm not as excited about it as some other folks are. I still think they are a long way off talent wise. They have Marcus Smart, a good young coach who all the players seem to love, a bunch of picks, and cap flexibility. They certainly aren't in a terrible spot like the Nets, but everyone is going to have a lot of cap Flexibility in the coming years with the cap increase. Their future depends on nailing draft picks, getting really lucky in the lottery, the Nets crumbling the next three years (They own their next 3 unprotected firsts), or being able to package their assets for a star.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 19:21:52 GMT -5
I agree with the lousy officiating, I hope more coaches do what Carlisle did as a way to protest how coaches cannot comment about officiating (he was joking around but he should legitimately start doing it as a way of protest). The NBA makes it seem like the refs are the most overly sensitive individuals, not able to to take any kind of criticism. Those who can take criticism and learn from it are those who can excel in what they do. I understand they already take enough flack from the fans, but if no one on a team's organization can come out and speak against what they find as unequal treatment by officiating without being fined, how will we ever improve our officiating?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 19:38:54 GMT -5
Okay I get you getting frustrated at all the Stevens love. Even as a Celtics fan I have gotten a little sick of it. But that doesn't take away from the fact he has coached great this year. The Celtics traded what everybody thought was their two best players, and took a group of guys with not much talent and turned them into a 24-12 team the last 36. You can say that they didnt beat that many good teams, but They still went 24-12. Thats not easy with to do in the NBA. I think its pretty ridiculous to say he was coach of the year, and I think its fair to still be unsure how good of a coach he will actually be in the future, but he deserves credit for coaching up this team. Honestly I think its pretty laughable to say Stevens got coached in circles by Blatt. Kyrie and Lebron scored every point in Cleveland's 4th quarter one game. Thats not out coaching someone, thats just having far and away superior players. What adjustments did you expect Stevens to make? There aren't many things to do when your team is just overwhelmed like Boston was in this series. The Cavs do so much isolation plays it's pretty ridiculous. I was pretty surprised by how many times lebron just held the ball until 5 seconds left on the shot clock and just hosted a jumper (worked a lot of the time, but he can get much better looks). That is not good coaching at all. I am not trying to say Blatt is a terrible coach or anything, but he certainly didn't "coach circles around Stevens". Also on that Gigi Datome play, Gigi has actually been Boston's far and away best 3pt shooter this year, and he got a decent look. Boston really lacks 3pt shooting, and he got a decent shooter a decent look. Not sure what else you were expecting there. As far as the Celtics future I'm not as excited about it as some other folks are. I still think they are a long way off talent wise. They have Marcus Smart, a good young coach who all the players seem to love, a bunch of picks, and cap flexibility. They certainly aren't in a terrible spot like the Nets, but everyone is going to have a lot of cap Flexibility in the coming years with the cap increase. Their future depends on nailing draft picks, getting really lucky in the lottery, the Nets crumbling the next three years (They own their next 3 unprotected firsts), or being able to package their assets for a star. It should be noted that those points came in the middle of my rant. Typically, rants contain small nuggets of truth surrounded by hyperbole. Stevens obviously did a fine job of coaching this year. He got those guys to play hard all the time, and that's half the battle in the NBA. I think the insane amount of love he got what's pretty insulting to those players. They weren't all-stars, but they are all pretty good players. They finished with a few more wins than you would expect, but they got five late wins against resting teams, so it evens out. The isolation plays are a huge point of contention amongst Cavs fans. I ultimately thought it would have been their undoing before the Love injury. Now it won't really matter. The funny thing is they went through stretches this year where they ran their offense and swung the ball around... those were typically their biggest wins of the year. The Cavs adjustments in this series came mostly on the defensive end. (My coaching circles around him line came from a statement made by an anonymous NBA exec that Stevens coached circles around Blatt, which was hilarious. I've just never seen so much love given to a team that got swept so easily from the playoffs. It's absurd.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 19:40:19 GMT -5
I agree with the lousy officiating, I hope more coaches do what Carlisle did as a way to protest how coaches cannot comment about officiating (he was joking around but he should legitimately start doing it as a way of protest). The NBA makes it seem like the refs are the most overly sensitive individuals, not able to to take any kind of criticism. Those who can take criticism and learn from it are those who can excel in what they do. I understand they already take enough flack from the fans, but if no one on a team's organization can come out and speak against what they find as unequal treatment by officiating without being fined, how will we ever improve our officiating? View AttachmentOfficials should have to go through pressers like players and coaches. It will never happen, and I know why, but we're rapidly reaching that point. When Thomas hit LeBron while he was out-of-bounds... that's something an official should have to answer to after the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 20:05:03 GMT -5
I'd like to see the NBA implement a similar rule to what the NFL does, where a coach can challenge the ref x amount of times a game.
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