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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:12:23 GMT -5
I rather have people putting in Adam Morrison and Dahntay Jones than nobody at all It serves the same purpose. Adam Morrison and Dahntay Jones may be actual people, but they don't play. They provide the exact same thing an empty spot does. Read my reasoning in my next post
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:12:19 GMT -5
Another thing i said via pm to Newark few mins ago that i'll post here is:
Resigns have been handled is quite horrible fashion to say the least, some got underpaid, some got overpaid, deals like Asik are hilarious, if this is not a reflection of nba, why then someone gotta pay toxic deal, which he shouldn't, he set some dumb standart for other contracts to be overpaid. committee could said: nada, pay 5mil dude, hes ain't worth it, they couldn't? sure they could. It sad a bad standart. saying they will learn from this is quite funny, most contracts are 4 years, signing 3 or even 4 guys, you could either lose or win soo much cash over the years and based on what ? now you got that molten guy vetoing EVERYTHING literally, i think Kobe got paid 8mil no? how is he better then Derozan and such, at this point of hes carrier, i could go on and on. The biggest problem is that if there's a problem, there's nothing being done, everyone suppose to be ok with it. Does LM's think we should close our eyes and just forgte it. League's interest should go 1st before anyone else. If they feel someone ala Blake got underpaid, bring back vote and revote, there's no rule on it? Make one, what's the problem. Rather sort issue now, then left half contracts haunt owners, and others be happy they got a discount they should never had.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:13:20 GMT -5
The reason is, if you have scrubs on your team, it means your team ACTUALLY SUCKS and deserves a high draft pick. With 10 players, if 7 are scrubs I don't imagine the other 3 being anything special because that's usually a case of gross mismanagement by the GM. If you have a good team, especially one like Newark's, you do NOT need any assistance. You fucking put players in your lineup. That's cheating if you don't I agree. It was not an issue until this past season. Rules have been put in place against it. So riddle me this: Why do we put rules in now but not in the past? You said there was a rule... Was it taken out before last season?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:14:51 GMT -5
Another thing i said via pm to Newark few mins ago that i'll post here is: Resigns have been handled is quite horrible fashion to say the least, some got underpaid, some got overpaid, deals like Asik are hilarious, if this is not a reflection of nba, why then someone gotta pay toxic deal, which he shouldn't, he set some dumb standart for other contracts to be overpaid. committee could said: nada, pay 5mil dude, hes ain't worth it, they couldn't? sure they could. It sad a bad standart. saying they will learn from this is quite funny, most contracts are 4 years, signing 3 or even 4 guys, you could either lose or win soo much cash over the years and based on what ? now you got that molten guy vetoing EVERYTHING literally, i think Kobe got paid 8mil no? how is he better then Derozan and such, at this point of hes carrier, i could go on and on. The biggest problem is that if there's a problem, there's nothing being done, everyone suppose to be ok with it. Does LM's think we should close our eyes and just forgte it. League's interest should go 1st before anyone else. If they feel someone ala Blake got underpaid, bring back vote and revote, there's no rule on it? Make one, what's the problem. Rather sort issue now, then left half contracts haunt owners, and others be happy they got a discount they should never had. Everything you just posted about is CONSTANTLY being discussed in the mod lounge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:16:21 GMT -5
Another thing i said via pm to Newark few mins ago that i'll post here is: Resigns have been handled is quite horrible fashion to say the least, some got underpaid, some got overpaid, deals like Asik are hilarious, if this is not a reflection of nba, why then someone gotta pay toxic deal, which he shouldn't, he set some dumb standart for other contracts to be overpaid. committee could said: nada, pay 5mil dude, hes ain't worth it, they couldn't? sure they could. It sad a bad standart. saying they will learn from this is quite funny, most contracts are 4 years, signing 3 or even 4 guys, you could either lose or win soo much cash over the years and based on what ? now you got that molten guy vetoing EVERYTHING literally, i think Kobe got paid 8mil no? how is he better then Derozan and such, at this point of hes carrier, i could go on and on. The biggest problem is that if there's a problem, there's nothing being done, everyone suppose to be ok with it. Does LM's think we should close our eyes and just forgte it. League's interest should go 1st before anyone else. If they feel someone ala Blake got underpaid, bring back vote and revote, there's no rule on it? Make one, what's the problem. Rather sort issue now, then left half contracts haunt owners, and others be happy they got a discount they should never had. Everything you just posted about is CONSTANTLY being discussed in the mod lounge. It's taken 4 years to get to now. Four years and a rule to put a full lineup in couldn't be made. Why should we, as non-Mods, expect anything to be done anytime soon?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:17:30 GMT -5
yah like does that matter much lol, if i saw a guy not playing hes players on purpose i could put rule ASAP against it, you can discuss all you want, if you let things happen and don't try hard to stop it, or it takes years to short simple things that take hours or days, then its really something wrong with your mod lounge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:21:51 GMT -5
Also regarding resigns, you can talk all you want, it matters 0. you should have or could have done what i mentioned about it, but all it were talks ( if there were any), it doesn't help anyone that you talk within mod lounge.
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Post by dunky69 on Aug 10, 2014 17:26:45 GMT -5
Resigns is whole other story that I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt on. I'm not a mod so I wasn't in on the process but it seems like maybe there should have been better communication on how the mods as a whole view each player. It seems like some mods understand the values of guys better than others.
I'm on the outside looking in and it seems much easier in hindsight. Maybe there's an idea they have to figure that out but that's just a couple mil here n there for the most part, I think we can deal with that. I'm just not a fan of taking a year off from playing to get a top pick. You should at least have to try to get the top pick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:46:21 GMT -5
I agree. It was not an issue until this past season. Rules have been put in place against it. So riddle me this: Why do we put rules in now but not in the past? You said there was a rule... Was it taken out before last season? You know what? I had this long response typed out to explain everything and try to shed some light on how things have gone these last four years, but I decided to scrap it. You know why? Because no matter what I say, it's only going to be met with "Well, why didn't rule x or y happen sooner?" It's easy, in hindsight, to say, "I could have seen this coming. I would have put a rule in place. This wouldn't have happened if I were here." But that's a load of bunk. We tackle problems as they arise. We are not psychics. We cannot see the future. At the same time, this league is not a dictatorship. Rules aren't just put in place by one person, to be followed by all without question. When a problem comes up, it is talked about. Usually by both the mods in the mod lounge, and in the general forum. The point of this is to involve as many people as possible in any decision. That's a major reason why mods are voted in each summer. The goal is to get fresh perspectives year after year. I started out as a mod in this league. Decided I no longer wanted to do that last year and removed my name from consideration, then was brought back at the end of last year to FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE THE VERY ISSUE THAT STARTED THIS THREAD. Teams with legitimate playoff rosters not playing anyone was not an issue until last season. Maybe the league could have anticipated that problem, but that's not a fair conclusion to make. A good team refusing to play anyone is not really a foreseeable problem. A rule was put in place to combat the problem this summer. Let things play out. With regard to the re-signs, everyone has their own opinion on what a player is worth. It is not the moderators' jobs to tell an owner he has to pay a player "x" amount. It is up to the owner to provide a convincing case as to why he is paying a player a given salary. Now, with that being said, you could make the most convincing case in the world, and you still aren't likely getting away with paying LeBron $8 million, if you know what I mean. We could certainly adjust the model and have each player's re-sign submitted to the mods, so that they may go over it and debate it with one another. However, that process would drag things out, and too many people already bitch about the time it takes to vote on things. This is the first off-season where we've had this many re-signs. Again, this is not a problem that could have been anticipated because it's never happened before. Frankly, this whole thing comes down to hindsight being 20/20.
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Post by dunky69 on Aug 10, 2014 17:56:32 GMT -5
Totally agree, meige. I thought the rule was already in place so that's why I was more pissed in an earlier post. But if this is the first time it happened and you put the rule in immediately after then all is good here. It sucks somebody took advantage of a common sense thing like that, but if it's talked about and a rule is made to prevent it from happening then as human adults, we should be able to get over this sort of thing. We all have real lives and this is just fantasy. Shit happens, we aren't a professional league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 18:04:10 GMT -5
I've only been in this league for a couple of weeks, but I am very impressed with everybody here and their love for basketball. Even just a few weeks in, this has been one of the best leagues I have ever been in, just because of the shear knowledge of the game displayed by everyone. Now I don't want to sound like a kiss-ass but I've been impressed with all the mods and their knowledge. That's not to say I agree with them all the time because I have found some re-signs very low that were passed, but at least their arguments are backed up with good reason. I understand how hard it must be with all of the re-signs and rule change debates, and I hope everyone can realize not everything is going to be perfect.
That being said I really hope this tanking problem is solved because not playing any of your players really ruins the fun of playing fantasy basketball. But the new rule looks good, and I have faith that it will be strictly enforced by the mods.
I just wanted to share my two cents since I'm new to this league and really look forward to competing in this league and for somewhere good to share my love of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 18:06:21 GMT -5
Well put Miege. I have no response to that
My only question: you talked about there being a rule in the past. Was it taken out before last season?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 18:28:58 GMT -5
Well put Miege. I have no response to that My only question: you talked about there being a rule in the past. Was it taken out before last season? To be honest Max, I couldn't tell you. It was something that was much discussed during the second season, and I think something was put in place before year 3. For those of you that don't know, I was kind of the "patient zero" for the tanking argument because some felt what I was doing was tanking (though I never willingly . I traded most of my legitimate players for picks and prospects, signed long shot free agents (though I would like to put on the record that some of those panned out. I jumped on Lin just before Linsanity), and didn't compete until last year... when I won the championship. Once I shifted from asset-collection mode to championship mode, I stopped paying attention to the debate. If I remember correctly, a rule was put in place in the 2012-13 season. I don't know for sure because, as I said, I no longer concerned myself with the issue. Then I stepped down as a mod last season, so I don't what was being discussed. The $10 million penalty is new, I think, if only because it was my idea. But that was to combat what Newark was doing. There are still no rules in place blocking a team from signing a bunch of scrubs and playing them on a daily basis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 21:16:24 GMT -5
I don't care if you play scrubs because that means your team is actual shit. It's benching good players that is just utter bullshit and I trust that now it can be solved
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Post by TrailDucker on Aug 10, 2014 23:07:34 GMT -5
If there was a PM to me about Newark I don't remember seeing it, but this last year has been a shit year for me and I haven't been able to devote my time to this league like I have in the past. Sorry I'm not sorry I had to let life take over for a second. We put in the rule in the middle of season 3 to play all your players then this offseason added the penalty. Simple as that.
We didn't have voting this offseason because of me not being arpound enough to facilitate it and the last two votes have been rather uneventful despite so much dialog. If you see ways this league can be fixed then we can have a vote for Commissioner and Mods next offseason again and you can make your voice heard and try to be in the league leadership group.
Next year we will have a new method for trading Re-Signs that should go smoother for everyone.
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