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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 18:54:53 GMT -5
In honor of the actual 2016 Salary Cap massive boost could we have our league cap space boost as well?
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Post by NAUHurdler on Jul 10, 2016 0:09:41 GMT -5
I feel like it just benefits the bad contacts more than anything. Just me.
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Post by Munich Barons GM on Jul 10, 2016 15:28:26 GMT -5
Since our contracts aren't connected to the real life contracts I don't see the need of a cap raise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 15:41:56 GMT -5
I also don't see the point since the free agents in this league aren't very good, unless you're interested in paying 10 mil+ to Jeremy Lin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 18:06:36 GMT -5
Something that can work for everyone is allowing us to have one amnesty exception. Much like the 3 re-signs we are given every 5 years, an amnesty can be used within that same time period. We get them when we join a team, but having one every 5 years can allow the veteran and recently added owners to correct their mistakes. Or can resolve unforeseen problems such as the infamous Larry Sanders situation or any forced medical retirements like Brandon Roy.
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Post by TrailDucker on Jul 11, 2016 8:41:08 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to an Amnesty provision like you claimed. But I also am not sure an increase in salary cap is needed either. But I'm open to continuing discussing it.
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Post by Roar GM (Josh) on Jul 11, 2016 13:13:00 GMT -5
Yea i just dont see the point of raising it. All it would do is raise salaries proportionately.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Jul 11, 2016 13:36:00 GMT -5
This might actually be a good time to discuss a salary cap increase. We're starting a new 5-year re-sign period and that makes this off-season a prime time for some league wide adjustments. It is our best opportunity to hit the imaginary "reset" button. I've been saying for awhile that re-sign contracts should be a bit higher and with a higher salary cap, people might be able to get behind that.
I have a couple proposals to get some feedback on.
1) Salary cap bump to $65,000,000. Nothing crazy, but gives teams near the cap limit a little extra cash to play with. 2) League wide notice that re-signs in this 5-year period will be higher than in the last one. No golden rule for how much higher, just a heads up that the market rate for re-signs will be closer to the market rate for free agents. Mods will still vote as they see appropriate, but we'll establish a clearer set of criteria for determining contract amounts. 3) Implement a "qualifying offer" rule. This doesn't count as a re-sign, but we would allow teams to extend a player's contract at 150% of the previous amount for 1 season. After that, the player would automatically become a free agent and not eligible for a re-sign. For example if Joe Basketball has contract of $6,000,000 (2017), I could bring him back for 2018 at $9,000,000 salary without using a re-sign. At the end of the 2018 season, he would automatically become a free agent. 4) One-time amnesty waiver. Use it or lose it this off-season only. That way people can clean up their bad contracts just a bit, just this once, before we start another fresh set of re-signs. I'm suggesting this "use it or lose it" to prevent people from signing one crazy contract this year with the knowledge that they can amensty the player next year. (e.x. Pau Gasol for 4 years at $20 million)
These are just ideas I've been kicking around to add a little excitement to this summer, as well as increase competition a bit, and make the league a bit more interesting. Typically I default to "keep it simple", but sometimes change is good. What do you guys think?
FYI, this is exactly the type of conversation I'd normally bring up in the secret mod forum before asking for public input. Since there was a request for more transparency, I'm trying this out instead. I think I speak for all the mods when I say we want your feedback and your ideas. Please debate this respectfully and keep the bitching and whining out of here. Once we've had a thorough discussion, the mods will vote (in private) and make a rule change announcement (if there is going to be one).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 13:45:45 GMT -5
What about doing FA before the resigns after the cap raise? That way we can gauge the market value before voting on resigns, and people might be a bit more conservative with FA contracts when they need to save some cap for resigns, or resign players that didnt get resigned. We'd need to select players for resign before FA then, but do the offers later.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 16:17:07 GMT -5
This might actually be a good time to discuss a salary cap increase. We're starting a new 5-year re-sign period and that makes this off-season a prime time for some league wide adjustments. It is our best opportunity to hit the imaginary "reset" button. I've been saying for awhile that re-sign contracts should be a bit higher and with a higher salary cap, people might be able to get behind that. I have a couple proposals to get some feedback on. 1) Salary cap bump to $65,000,000. Nothing crazy, but gives teams near the cap limit a little extra cash to play with. 2) League wide notice that re-signs in this 5-year period will be higher than in the last one. No golden rule for how much higher, just a heads up that the market rate for re-signs will be closer to the market rate for free agents. Mods will still vote as they see appropriate, but we'll establish a clearer set of criteria for determining contract amounts. 3) Implement a "qualifying offer" rule. This doesn't count as a re-sign, but we would allow teams to extend a player's contract at 150% of the previous amount for 1 season. After that, the player would automatically become a free agent and not eligible for a re-sign. For example if Joe Basketball has contract of $6,000,000 (2017), I could bring him back for 2018 at $9,000,000 salary without using a re-sign. At the end of the 2018 season, he would automatically become a free agent. 4) One-time amnesty waiver. Use it or lose it this off-season only. That way people can clean up their bad contracts just a bit, just this once, before we start another fresh set of re-signs. I'm suggesting this "use it or lose it" to prevent people from signing one crazy contract this year with the knowledge that they can amensty the player next year. (e.x. Pau Gasol for 4 years at $20 million) These are just ideas I've been kicking around to add a little excitement to this summer, as well as increase competition a bit, and make the league a bit more interesting. Typically I default to "keep it simple", but sometimes change is good. What do you guys think? FYI, this is exactly the type of conversation I'd normally bring up in the secret mod forum before asking for public input. Since there was a request for more transparency, I'm trying this out instead. I think I speak for all the mods when I say we want your feedback and your ideas. Please debate this respectfully and keep the bitching and whining out of here. Once we've had a thorough discussion, the mods will vote (in private) and make a rule change announcement (if there is going to be one). I support all of these ideas.
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Post by NAUHurdler on Jul 11, 2016 22:30:55 GMT -5
I honestly don't see any benefit in raising the cap (and I know I could use it). I just think that we already see FA deals get out of hands, raising the cap is going to lead towards $25 million 1 year deals instead of $20 million ones. I like all the other ideas I feel that increasing the cap strongly helps some teams while not really doing that much help for others. In my opinion, cap relief is a greatly undervalued asset to have and we are just handing it to the people who need it for no good reason. I'm down with the one time amnesty though, that I feel is a great happy-medium to help with any cap issues people may think they have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 23:42:01 GMT -5
How about this idea, we create a cap for maximum contracts with some form of a priority system when two or more competitors have reached the maximum amount. As well as adding player and team options to the equation. Team option would be negative points while player option would be more. (moderators could vote for whether the player can make more than their current contract if they opt out). This way the concept of a cap increase wouldn't be ridiculous. And it would stop these crazy 20 million 1 year offers. As well as have the league get one step closer to actual NBA salary rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 0:57:34 GMT -5
I completely view the cap raise like Brisbane/Phoenix. I don't see any positive effect, because it just will raise contracts proportionately and benefits the existing contracts.
The one time waiver just seems unfair to me. Everyone should be aware of the contracts he signs/trades for. How do you justify this to someone who paid picks for getting rid of a bad contract last season?
Both of those rule changes could just lead to less awareness of bad contracts and a even crazier FA. (This is coming from the guy who has OJ Mayo on a 5M contract till 2018)
As for the qualifying offer, I actually really like the idea. But it has one bad consequence: it will dry out the FA market even more, (again) leading to a crazier FA period.
One idea I have to ease the re-sign discussion is that we give GMs a one time chance (every 5 years) to take back a resign offer. So if someones idea of a fitting contract for a certain player is way below the ones of the mods, he is no longer torn in between either burning a resign or signing a contact he feels bad about
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Post by NAUHurdler on Jul 12, 2016 7:58:58 GMT -5
I completely view the cap raise like Brisbane/Phoenix. I don't see any positive effect, because it just will raise contracts propptionally and benefits the existing contracts. The one time waiver just seems unfair to me. Everyone should be aware of the contracts he signs/trades for. How do you justify this to someone who paid picks for getting rid of a bad contract last season? Both of those rule changes could just lead to less awareness of bad contracts and a even crazier FA. (This is coming from the guy who has OJ Mayo on a 5M contract till 2018) As for the qualifying offer, I actually really like the idea. But it has one bad consequence: it will dry out the FA market even more, (again) leading to a crazier FA period. One idea I have to ease the re-sign discussion is that we give GMs a one time chance (every 5 years) to take back a resign offer. So if someones idea of a fitting contract for a certain player is way below the ones of the mods, he is no longer torn in between either burning a resign or signing a contact he feels bad about I couldn't agree more in regards to basically the salary increase and the one time waiver basically just giving a pass to having made a poor decision. It's a lot harder for NBA teams to rid themselves of bad decisions and the NBA doesn't always come saving the day by bailing teams out. Sent from my SPH-L720 using proboards
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Post by Roar GM (Josh) on Jul 12, 2016 15:45:54 GMT -5
This might actually be a good time to discuss a salary cap increase. We're starting a new 5-year re-sign period and that makes this off-season a prime time for some league wide adjustments. It is our best opportunity to hit the imaginary "reset" button. I've been saying for awhile that re-sign contracts should be a bit higher and with a higher salary cap, people might be able to get behind that. I have a couple proposals to get some feedback on. 1) Salary cap bump to $65,000,000. Nothing crazy, but gives teams near the cap limit a little extra cash to play with. 2) League wide notice that re-signs in this 5-year period will be higher than in the last one. No golden rule for how much higher, just a heads up that the market rate for re-signs will be closer to the market rate for free agents. Mods will still vote as they see appropriate, but we'll establish a clearer set of criteria for determining contract amounts. 3) Implement a "qualifying offer" rule. This doesn't count as a re-sign, but we would allow teams to extend a player's contract at 150% of the previous amount for 1 season. After that, the player would automatically become a free agent and not eligible for a re-sign. For example if Joe Basketball has contract of $6,000,000 (2017), I could bring him back for 2018 at $9,000,000 salary without using a re-sign. At the end of the 2018 season, he would automatically become a free agent. 4) One-time amnesty waiver. Use it or lose it this off-season only. That way people can clean up their bad contracts just a bit, just this once, before we start another fresh set of re-signs. I'm suggesting this "use it or lose it" to prevent people from signing one crazy contract this year with the knowledge that they can amensty the player next year. (e.x. Pau Gasol for 4 years at $20 million) These are just ideas I've been kicking around to add a little excitement to this summer, as well as increase competition a bit, and make the league a bit more interesting. Typically I default to "keep it simple", but sometimes change is good. What do you guys think? FYI, this is exactly the type of conversation I'd normally bring up in the secret mod forum before asking for public input. Since there was a request for more transparency, I'm trying this out instead. I think I speak for all the mods when I say we want your feedback and your ideas. Please debate this respectfully and keep the bitching and whining out of here. Once we've had a thorough discussion, the mods will vote (in private) and make a rule change announcement (if there is going to be one). 1. Just don't see the need. If we give teams close to the cap some wiggle room, they'll still be outbid by teams with more room because those teams will also have $5M extra. 2. Wish it was a simple as finding a 'z' score. One number that ranks all FAs. However, it isn't that simple, but notifying teams that they will be higher is a good start. I like the idea of doing the resigns after FA, but, if a team is priced out of a resign because of a FA signing, that resign eligible player becomes a FA and only the people with cap space can bid on them. Maybe some consider it strategy, but i think the more teams that can afford the big FAs, the better. 3. Like this. It may dry up the FA in the short term, but then these guys have to become FAs the following year so it could balance out. Would make for a dry 1st year, but then improve the following year. 4. Doesn't this punish teams that don't have any bad contracts to use it on? Why don't we allow a one time amnesty good for the next 3 years, but it has to be on a player that is currently on the roster? This avoids purposefully creating a terrible contract this FA and amnestying it next year. Some current contracts don't look bad now, but could become bad over the next few years.
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