I know people that worked at Florida State that said Jameis was an arrogant jackass. I don't know him, so I don't really have an opinion on the kid as a person... I do think there's a better than good chance that he, at the very least, sexually assaulted that girl. You just never see those kinds of cases go to trial, let alone the accused going to jail. It's basically a "he said, she said" type of deal, and the guy getting accused isn't going to say, "Yeah, I raped her."
I do find it hilarious that FSU keeps winning. So many people are rooting for them to lose, and they keep coming SOOOOOOO close before pulling something out of their ass (and I say that in the nicest way possible). As someone without a dog in this fight, I just find it hard to root for any of the teams.
Alabama- ugh, Saban.... and they win all the damn time. Although, I don't actively dislike this Alabama team as much as previous teams.
Florida State - been there, done that last year. No thanks
Ohio State - ugh, Urban "I'm retiring to spend more time with my family, but that's just a cover because UF is a mess" Meyer. Go away, OSU.
That kind of leaves Oregon by default, and I gotta be honest... for a team with a million flashy uniform combinations, I just kind of find this Oregon team boring. They have a high-octane offense led by a Heisman trophy candidate, but I find it really hard to get excited to watch them.
I know people that worked at Florida State that said Jameis was an arrogant jackass.
I'd really like to know what he did to them to come off that way. I've been around him a lot during my time working for FSU Baseball (I was a student manager his first year on campus) and alongside Josh at the team hotel. All of the support staff I've ever known or come in contact with love him. Like Josh said, he gets a bad rap for the allegations and for just trying to be an average college kid.
I know people that worked at Florida State that said Jameis was an arrogant jackass.
I'd really like to know what he did to them to come off that way. I've been around him a lot during my time working for FSU Baseball (I was a student manager his first year on campus) and alongside Josh at the team hotel. All of the support staff I've ever known or come in contact with love him. Like Josh said, he gets a bad rap for the allegations and for just trying to be an average college kid.
Also... Jimbo is coming for you...
I don't know the specifics, just the way he was treating one of the managers or something.
I know people that worked at Florida State that said Jameis was an arrogant jackass.
I'd really like to know what he did to them to come off that way. I've been around him a lot during my time working for FSU Baseball (I was a student manager his first year on campus) and alongside Josh at the team hotel. All of the support staff I've ever known or come in contact with love him. Like Josh said, he gets a bad rap for the allegations and for just trying to be an average college kid.
Also... Jimbo is coming for you...
Jimbo Fisher rubs me the wrong way to, Like when he called USA Today "Shady reporting" when asked about the traffic ticket thing. But then again I know Chip rubbed a lot of people the wrong way as well and I loved him.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Dec 9, 2014 9:50:06 GMT -5
My 2 cents as far as Jameis Winston goes . . . I tend to agree with Miege about the rape thing. He very probably did something very inappropriate to that girl. At worst he raped her, at best he took advantage of her in some way. It also appears as if shoddy police work is the reason he is getting away with it. I won't say they're covering for him, but if that isn't it, they sure look incredibly incompetent. That's incredibly hard to just "look past". But I'll try.
Setting all of that aside however and assuming his complete innocence in that matter, he still has a laundry list of other incidents that I think we've all been too hard on him for. College kids are dumb and do dumb things, he shouldn't be crucified all over the media for it. If the rape allegation didn't exist, the Crab Legs and the autographs and the "Fuck her in the Pussy" wouldn't be as big a deal as they have become. HOWEVER, his personality bugs the shit out of me. He epitomizes a stereotypical type of star athlete that I just hate. Mr. Look-at-me, I'm Famous Jameis. "I'm just a lovable, goofy guy who likes to have fun, I can't help it I'm so talented. . . . I'm all about the team, I don't like the spotlight, but if you suspend me for a game I'm going to put my uniform on anyway and run up and down the sideline all game like a moron so that the cameras are constantly on me. . . . But really, its not about me." When he's humble, it comes off as fake. When he's self-confident, he comes off as a total douche bag. He's an attention whore. See Cam Newton, see Johnny Manziel, see young LeBron James.
My 2 cents as far as Jameis Winston goes . . . I tend to agree with Miege about the rape thing. He very probably did something very inappropriate to that girl. At worst he raped her, at best he took advantage of her in some way. It also appears as if shoddy police work is the reason he is getting away with it. I won't say they're covering for him, but if that isn't it, they sure look incredibly incompetent. That's incredibly hard to just "look past". But I'll try.
Setting all of that aside however and assuming his complete innocence in that matter, he still has a laundry list of other incidents that I think we've all been too hard on him for. College kids are dumb and do dumb things, he shouldn't be crucified all over the media for it. If the rape allegation didn't exist, the Crab Legs and the autographs and the "Fuck her in the Pussy" wouldn't be as big a deal as they have become. HOWEVER, his personality bugs the shit out of me. He epitomizes a stereotypical type of star athlete that I just hate. Mr. Look-at-me, I'm Famous Jameis. "I'm just a lovable, goofy guy who likes to have fun, I can't help it I'm so talented. . . . I'm all about the team, I don't like the spotlight, but if you suspend me for a game I'm going to put my uniform on anyway and run up and down the sideline all game like a moron so that the cameras are constantly on me. . . . But really, its not about me." When he's humble, it comes off as fake. When he's self-confident, he comes off as a total douche bag. He's an attention whore. See Cam Newton, see Johnny Manziel, see young LeBron James.
At best? At best, the two of them had consensual sex and, for whatever reason, she decided she regretted it. "Taken advantage of" would imply being drunk or drugged and the clean toxicology report would indicate neither of those were the case.
Don't you think most of the opinions of his cockiness, attention whore attitude stems from the fact that people think he's a rapist? Any comment, quote, statement can be made out to be arrogant or selfish or fake. I think it's the perception of the person that is more important than the words/actions themselves. ESPN used to air his weekly press conferences last season and no one i heard thought that he was any of those. He was just a happy go lucky country boy from Alabama. All of this started after the allegation came about.
Just imagine what the narrative would have been had he not showed up to the Clemson game or just sulked on the sideline. "Selfish, entitled star QB doesn't care about teammates". Oh I can see it now. Blame ESPN for showing him on the sidelines a million times that game. The media is infatuated with him and the 24/7 coverage of him has turned many people off. You think, at this point, he wants attention? After the last 13 months, I think attention is the last thing he wants.
His life has forever changed whether he's guilty or innocent and that's the sad part. If he did it, he deserves every second of it and then some. If he didn't,...well then what he's been through is truly a shame.
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My 2 cents as far as Jameis Winston goes . . . I tend to agree with Miege about the rape thing. He very probably did something very inappropriate to that girl. At worst he raped her, at best he took advantage of her in some way. It also appears as if shoddy police work is the reason he is getting away with it. I won't say they're covering for him, but if that isn't it, they sure look incredibly incompetent. That's incredibly hard to just "look past". But I'll try.
Setting all of that aside however and assuming his complete innocence in that matter, he still has a laundry list of other incidents that I think we've all been too hard on him for. College kids are dumb and do dumb things, he shouldn't be crucified all over the media for it. If the rape allegation didn't exist, the Crab Legs and the autographs and the "Fuck her in the Pussy" wouldn't be as big a deal as they have become. HOWEVER, his personality bugs the shit out of me. He epitomizes a stereotypical type of star athlete that I just hate. Mr. Look-at-me, I'm Famous Jameis. "I'm just a lovable, goofy guy who likes to have fun, I can't help it I'm so talented. . . . I'm all about the team, I don't like the spotlight, but if you suspend me for a game I'm going to put my uniform on anyway and run up and down the sideline all game like a moron so that the cameras are constantly on me. . . . But really, its not about me." When he's humble, it comes off as fake. When he's self-confident, he comes off as a total douche bag. He's an attention whore. See Cam Newton, see Johnny Manziel, see young LeBron James.
At best? At best, the two of them had consensual sex and, for whatever reason, she decided she regretted it. "Taken advantage of" would imply being drunk or drugged and the clean toxicology report would indicate neither of those were the case.
Don't you think most of the opinions of his cockiness, attention whore attitude stems from the fact that people think he's a rapist? Any comment, quote, statement can be made out to be arrogant or selfish or fake. I think it's the perception of the person that is more important than the words/actions themselves. ESPN used to air his weekly press conferences last season and no one i heard thought that he was any of those. He was just a happy go lucky country boy from Alabama. All of this started after the allegation came about.
Just imagine what the narrative would have been had he not showed up to the Clemson game or just sulked on the sideline. "Selfish, entitled star QB doesn't care about teammates". Oh I can see it now. Blame ESPN for showing him on the sidelines a million times that game. The media is infatuated with him and the 24/7 coverage of him has turned many people off. You think, at this point, he wants attention? After the last 13 months, I think attention is the last thing he wants.
His life has forever changed whether he's guilty or innocent and that's the sad part. If he did it, he deserves every second of it and then some. If he didn't,...well then what he's been through is truly a shame.
It most certainly does not imply those things. She does not need to be intoxicated to be taken advantage of.
At best? At best, the two of them had consensual sex and, for whatever reason, she decided she regretted it. "Taken advantage of" would imply being drunk or drugged and the clean toxicology report would indicate neither of those were the case.
You're right, at best they had consensual sex. However, if I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't rape her, then I'm also going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she isn't making it up. My guess is that something inappropriate happened. That's just my gut talking. But since it is just a guess, I will also try to not let it cloud my judgement of his other incidents.
Don't you think most of the opinions of his cockiness, attention whore attitude stems from the fact that people think he's a rapist? ESPN used to air his weekly press conferences last season and no one I heard thought that he was any of those. He was just a happy go lucky country boy from Alabama. All of this started after the allegation came about.
I can't speak to other people's opinion's of him, just my own. And no, I don't think it has to do with his rape allegations. I think it has to do with his success. I do not see the same guy that I saw at the beginning of last season. The guy went from his redshirt season to national champ and Heisman winner, and somewhere along the line he became a cocky little shit. I'm not a bit surprised. And it isn't some strange Famous Jameis phenomenon, we saw the same thing with Johnny Football and Cam "Superman" Newton. Success can have a damaging effect on 19 and 20 year old athletes.
Just imagine what the narrative would have been had he not showed up to the Clemson game or just sulked on the sideline. "Selfish, entitled star QB doesn't care about teammates". Oh I can see it now. Blame ESPN for showing him on the sidelines a million times that game. The media is infatuated with him and the 24/7 coverage of him has turned many people off. You think, at this point, he wants attention? After the last 13 months, I think attention is the last thing he wants.
I do think he enjoys the attention. He sure acts like he enjoys the attention. His actions at the Clemson game were very attention grabbing. He could have stood on the sideline and clapped, he could have watched from the stands, he could have been in the booth. Instead he was jumping up and down, running up and down the sideline, he was acting like a fool.
Standing on a table in the middle of campus and shouting obscenities is a “look at me” action. It’s an attention-seeking action. You can say “college kid makes a mistake”, and you’d be right, but it’s a mistake only an attention whore makes. When I heard that story, I laughed and said “Winston did what? Of course he did.”
Even your story about him signing autographs at the team hotel until coaches had to drag him into a team meeting fits the narrative. Some players get tired of signing autographs, but Jameis loves it. It’s all part of being Famous Jameis and he can’t seem to help himself. Willie Beamen comes to mind when I watch a Jameis Winston interview. I’ll be very curious as to what his pro career will be like, because the talent is obviously there, and the focus when the lights go on is unmatched, but I can see a lot of potential for trouble as well.
His life has forever changed whether he's guilty or innocent and that's the sad part. If he did it, he deserves every second of it and then some. If he didn't,...well then what he's been through is truly a shame.
I agree with this, in part. But I can't help seeing his smiling mug on television and thinking he is enjoying every second of this.
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