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Post by TrailDucker on Jun 6, 2010 17:32:00 GMT -5
I am curious on everyone's thoughts on this sense we have a people from all over. Here is my understanding on what might happen with some thoughts on my part:
The Big 12 has given deadlines for the end of this week to Missouri and Nebraska to decide if the are bolting for the Big 10. We have a lot of people from Big Ten country so they can probably comment on all of that more accurately.
If those two teams leave, Pandoras box could be opened with Pac-10 inviting six teams to become the Pac-16. As a Oregon student (and in a week, Oregon Grad) I was all for adding Utah and Colorado. I like that we have a true round robin, but also saw a shake up needed to happen and thought these two teams were decent enough to do that. So I am extreamly excited on the prospects of adding Texas, A&M, OU, OSU, Colorado and Tech. I wish Kansas could be added instead of Tech, but am pretty sure they were added to entice Texas more. I think this would be great for college sports as there will be a power on the west to counter the SEC (which I feel is controlling the media currently). The power would shift to the West muaaahahaha
From what I gather Big Ten wouldn't be done expanding, especially if the Pac-16 is formed, and probably pick some teams from the Big East and try to woo Notre Dame. SEC will probably raid the ACC maybe pick up Memphis, and the ACC will probably completely devour what is left of the Big East
This also leave Kanas, Kansas St, Iowa St, and Baylor high and dry. The only scenario I have heard that sounded possible was those teams joining the Mountain West, along with maybe Boise St, and that becoming a BCS Conference.
All in all this would lead to Pac-16, Big-16 or whatever, and SEC having strong holds over the whole college sports landscape with ACC and Mountain West just holding on for dear life.
Anybody else have insight on the whole situation?
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Post by dunky69 on Jun 7, 2010 17:03:02 GMT -5
I dont think the pac-10 will expand and if it does then 2 possibly 3 teams(colorado, utah)will join. I don't see ou,okstate,and the texas schools movin to the pac10.
It only makes sense for mizzou and notre dame to come to the big ten. Mizzou gets crapped on in the big-12 the oklahoma and texas school get all the love. and in the big -10 they would get their tv time(instead of the ppv games they have all year, which really sux for any mizzou fan, who the hell has ppv for regualr season games. Fucked up)Notre dame is gay for being independent and i feel they are overrated like the rest of the big ten.Big ten can get part of the irish tv contract and vice-versa for notre dame. ND would get even more exposure. Perfect fit in my opinion.
P.s. I'm an illini fan.
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Post by dunky69 on Jun 7, 2010 17:06:34 GMT -5
also,I think nebraska will come with mizzou.again i think nebraska gets shit on by the big-12.I think both those teams could build strong rivalries in the big ten.
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Post by TrailDucker on Jun 9, 2010 22:56:57 GMT -5
Report is Nebraska is for sure going to Big Ten, the Big 12's fall is all but started, only thing that could stop it is ND picking to join the Big Ten last minute at the condition it stays at 12, which is a possibility. Colorado already has an invitation from the Pac-10 and supposably the other six will be getting their invitations when Nebraskas move is final. I heard if the Pac-16 gets formed they will try and be granted two BCS bids (one for the West and one for the East division) and eliminate a conference championship.
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Post by dunky69 on Jun 9, 2010 23:05:10 GMT -5
That would be total bullshit. Even though there are quite a few good teams that would be in the FudgePac-16, they shouldn't just get a bcs game per division. They should have to play for the division and then if another team earns a bcs bid then they can get it. Obviously it is alot harder to get that 2nd bowl, the other team has to be in the national championship game for another team to make it from the division. But that makes sense that is what every other conference has to do. They should just have a championship game. And the big 10 definitly needs a champship game.
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Post by TrailDucker on Jun 9, 2010 23:25:16 GMT -5
As an Oregon student/Alum I'm all for it. Just to get to a BCS game we would have to beat USC, OSU, UCLA, Cal, Standford, Wash, WSU (HA!) two teams from the East division (losing 1, maybe 2) and THEN Texas or Oklahoma in the championship?! that's a tall order!
Maybe Big Ten can get Missouri, and finally ND then Syracuse, Rutgers (Pitt if ND stay independent) and be the Big-16 and get to do the same thing!
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Post by TrailDucker on Jun 9, 2010 23:28:39 GMT -5
I still think this will cause a chain reaction of the SEC raiding ACC for four of Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest or Georgia Tech and then the ACC will eat the rest of Big East and the remaining Big 12 teams will join the MW with Boise St making that a BCS conference
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Post by TrailDucker on Jun 9, 2010 23:30:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 12:10:34 GMT -5
Ha, yes, I'd have to say that I was very happy to see that. Well deserved. Especially since the arrogant schmuck, Lane Kiffen, will be the one having to suffer the consequences. Secondly, I echo the GO DUCKS sentiment. I am an SEC faithful, but the Ducks are my favorite Pac-10 team. With the Beavers coming in a close second.. ..I know all of you Oregon students just cringed. ;D Ok, now to the topic at hand. As both an Alabama and Baylor alum, I certainly do NOT hope that this whole mega-conference realignment happens. As you mentioned, Baylor would be completely left out in the cold. But the whole Pac-16 concept where a Pacific Coast conference stretches across 3 time zones mainly seems utterly ridiculous to me. What I hope to see: - Nebraska goes to the Big 10 to give them 12 teams & a championship game - Colorado & Utah join the Pac 10 to give them 12 & a champ. game - Oklahoma & Ok. State move to the Big 12 North to restore some balance. - TCU & Houston join the Big 12 South and have an all Texas division. That scenario would save the current BCS structure, while giving some of the smaller teams a chance to make it in a BCS conference. Texas could still have their own TV network that they desire. Plus it would finally create an exciting Big 12 championship game with OU & UT playing at Jerry's Word. $$$ ....to of course, then have the winner lose again to Alabama for BCS championship ROLLLLLL TIDE ROLL!!!! ;D
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Post by TrailDucker on Jun 10, 2010 13:01:56 GMT -5
I didn't cringe! I smiled! I am one of those that roots for: 1.) University of Oregon 2.) The State of Oregon 3.) The Pac-10 If I had it my way every Civil War would be two undefeated teams playing for the NC (and Oregon would win every time beating Bama in the BCS Championship )
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Post by TrailDucker on Jun 10, 2010 13:02:42 GMT -5
Also GS, what do you think as an SEC fan of the talk of SEC going after those ACC teams I mentioned? it sounds like you are not for deconsolidation
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Post by dunky69 on Jun 10, 2010 13:35:26 GMT -5
If the pac-10 turns into the pac-16 i think everybody should make super conferences. Big ten should get Kansas too, bcuz that would be better for them(money wise) than going to the mountain west. I would like the sec giong after the ACC teams if the pac-16 is formed. I dont think it will make it to the pac-16, i think they wil add one more team cuz they kinda have to now to make 12, right?
If we do get superconferences then then acc, and big 12 should just be torn apart. Then they should split up the mountain west.You can put some acc teams in the bigeast and Sec. You can put the six big 12 teams that have ben offered to the pac-10 then send Kstate, Kansas, Iowa state, Mizzou, and whoever is left to the big10.
Damn this shit is nuts. I don't know how i would feel if the big 10 would have come apart like this. It never will come apart because the Bigten network, but still i would be pissed.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Jun 10, 2010 13:41:50 GMT -5
I'm really torn on this whole thing. While I like the idea of adding all these teams and earning a ton of money for the schools, I'm not sure that Oregon is really gonna benefit from this - and Oregon is really all I care about. I really LIKE the current round robin system we have. Colorado and Utah are fine additions I guess, but that means a championship game and no pure round robin. Enough conferences do that already, so I'm sure I can get behind it in time, but eh.
As far as the super expansion is concerned . . . eh. I really, really like the potential to bring in Texas and Oklahoma in to what is already the best conference in the country (suck it SEC), but I think it will ultimately hurt my school, Oregon. With a Rose Bowl trip last season, a great returning roster, and the sanctions against USC I think the Ducks are in position to grab hold of that number one spot at the top of the conference and hold on to it. We are the defending champs and the favorites for next year (w/o USC), and that is the kind of success that can really lead to a multiple year / decade run at the top of the conference. If we bring in Texas and Oklahoma (and the rest of the Big 12) that drops Oregon to the defacto #3 at least.
So the question is . . . Would I rather be #1 in a conference with one BCS bid? Or #3 in a conference with 2 BCS bids. I know it will be broken down into an E/W thing if the MegaPac gets 2 bids, but still. What if we still get just one? We have to beat out USC, OSU, UW, Cal, etc. And THEN beat out OU or UT or TT and THEN we got to a BCS game? Thats like a BCS game to get into a BCS game. I don't like that.
I'm also worried about what this will do to non-conference games. If we create all these juggernaut conferences, what is the motivation to play meaningful non-conference games? Everyone will go the SEC route and play 2 tiny ass directional state colleges. I don't like that. I like the USC / Ohio St. games. I like Penn St. vs. Alabama. I'm convinced that those games will disappear if college football moves towards 4 or 5 mega conferences.
One thing I really like, however, is that this will effectively squash the "BCS Buster" small schools like Boise St. and Utah. Its complete and utter bullshit that these guys play one tough non-conference game in September and coast through a terrible conference and find themselves in the BCS. Its yet another shortcoming of the BCS system and I can't wait til its fixed. I'd love for Boise St. to play in the BCS title game, if they earn it by getting through a BCS conference. Until that happens, they are the football equivalent of Affirmative Action and its DUMB.
Ok. That is all.
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Post by blazinatrail on Jun 10, 2010 14:59:22 GMT -5
Its officially Pac-11 Colorado switched. If nebraska leaves then Big 12 will fall and it will become Pac-16. If they dont then Pac-10 will invite Utah and become the pac-12. We will know for sure by tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 15:02:45 GMT -5
Well said Mighty. Well, with the exception of the "suck it SEC" comment. Also, only some SEC schools have lame nonconference schedules. Bama has played Virginia Tech (#7), Florida State, & Clemson these past few years and will play Penn State this year.
I also like the uniqueness of the round robin format. While it does mean that you have to play everyone in the conference once, you might have to play the best team in the conference twice in a 12-team format. If not twice, then you may meet the best team in the championship game which than makes it a must-win. Us SEC folks get furious when we see an SEC team go undefeated throughout the regular season to lose the conference championship game and then have USC or Notre Dame play in the title game with the 1 early season loss.
But to Mighty's point, Oregon will at least have this year to possibly defend their Rose Bowl spot, since the reorganization would not take place till 2011 and since USC can't compete for a bowl.
I will be sad to not see Masoli leading that offense though. He was fun to watch.
I also agree that the one good thing about the mega-conference domino effect that would most likely take place would be that those Boise States of the world would actually have to join a legitimate conference to get a shot at a BCS berth.
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