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Post by TrailDucker on May 26, 2010 0:07:50 GMT -5
Ok, I will give my two cents on the matter and what Mighty has told me, he probably will come and chime in a long explanation as well. So Mighty wrote the the League Overview long before I entered the equation so technically that is his idea. This is what he told me and what I also gathered myself:
Meige and Richardson may know of the whole back and forth between Mighty and Joey in the "2 Teams 1 Cup" league ran by Obsidian. I am not in that league so I don't know all the details but Mighty gave me the run down and that it was about a waiver issue and that he was thinking of leaving the league from it, but Obsidian asked him not to. Then there is Obsidian league where there was some drama between Obsidian, Me, Mighty, Joey and Cornvan that led to Obsidian taking out his tampon prematurely and blowing up the whole league. I believe a direct quote from me or Mighty (probably Mighty, he is better spoken then me) saying "This is a Fantasy Basketball league not a dictatorship." All of that led to this very diplomatic approach which I think makes this league something truly unique and intriguing. One single person can never have complete power to do whatever they want. It is truly a democracy!
How I envisioned this going down is we may have a league wide vote on the Commissioner, basically a yes or no to him and his job done the previous season. If it is more Yes then he will stay, if it is more No's then the majority wasn't satisfied and we may have people step up and we vote on which of those should be the new commissioner (along with the previous one). Then after that I was assuming we could have an anonymous voting where everyone says their top 6 candidates for the 6 Mod positions. The Commissioner will gather the results and then go down the line until 6 people accept.
That is how I envisioned it all
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 0:19:40 GMT -5
I really wish I had seen the argument between Siddy and everyone before he shut down that league.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 0:59:55 GMT -5
As for the issue at hand, I don't like the idea of the commissioner getting voted out. I know just because it can happen doesn't mean it will, but as someone who has started, and is running, two other leagues, it really takes a stable leadership group to keep this thing running. Changing mods every year is bad enough, but changing commissioners can lead to chaos.
Plus, Mighty, you know the time you have to put in to set up this board. Why would you be willing to just step down? Doesn't make sense, if you ask me...
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Post by hbcardinal on May 26, 2010 1:09:54 GMT -5
alright, so I'm gonna add in my view as a non-mod in this discussion. First off, Miege having to clarify that his comment earlier (something to the effect of what!? mods can be voted off) is a bad sign for the league right now.
I see where some players are coming from in that you know this is an important draft since it frames the teams, but at the end of the day we can always change leadership if need be. I mean I know Denver is a bit harsh some times, but he definitely provides comic relief... as long as you don't take any of his insults remotely seriously.
I'm having fun, I'm glued to the screen checking updates, trade blocks, picks, altering my game-plan, etc... (bear in mind all while I am in my almost final year of school...praying to get into my co-terminal masters degree, which is not healthy for my grades or relationship, so screw you all, I definitely have a program due tomorrow morning and was checking if JJ had made his pick all throughout my fraternity meeting). I think that's what this is supposed to be about and though I take things very seriously in that I want to maximize my value at every pick and make a team that will win every year (even this year, ya watch out richardson!), I'm having a good time.
Wrap it up:
1) sorry for the tirade
2) my opinion: what's done is done, the mods know how the league feels, we can see what happens next, there's still plenty of drafting left to do
3) LeBron is a pussy! he ain't got nothing on my boy Devean George (FYI he's my next pick)
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 1:14:50 GMT -5
It's Mighty's call as to whether he wants his position to be one that can be voted on. At first, when I joined the other leagues these fellows are in (one of which blew up as has been referenced already here) I thought it was screwy to have Mods vote on trades, etc. I thought, why have a handful or so of people with more power? I have, however, taken a different view now that I have seen it in place. I used to be concerned that other owners had more "power" than others. However, now, I see it just puts in a check and balances system in place....kinda like Congress and the President, with the Mods being Congress and the President being Mighty.
Mighty has put a lot of work into this league. However, if the league (and I never see this happening under Mighty) has a majority of the owners wanting his removal, then, it just seems to me at that point he would step aside for the betterment of the league.
So, I think the point is moot. I think anyone should be allowed to, if sufficiently upset, ask for a vote for Mighty to be replaced and maybe there would be X amount of seconds to that request for a vote to even take place. If it comes to that, then, so be it. But I believe all leagues need a strong and consistent presence to them and I have found, almost always, that is in the founder of the league.
Those are my thoughts. Oh, and I shed a tear just now. Goodbye Jack Bauer.
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Post by hbcardinal on May 26, 2010 1:18:36 GMT -5
Crap. totally missed the above point, took me way to long to right my statement...anyways, I don't think Mighty needs to be voted on comish except for extreme circumstances I guess, but I think having the mods go up for a vote seems to fit with a leagues needs. Also, for simplicities sake, we could even have each region decide if the attached mod works, and if not do a replacement, but I don't think we have to deal with this for a long time.
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Post by TrailDucker on May 26, 2010 1:21:05 GMT -5
It's Mighty's call as to whether he wants his position to be one that can be voted on. At first, when I joined the other leagues these fellows are in (one of which blew up as has been referenced already here) I thought it was screwy to have Mods vote on trades, etc. I thought, why have a handful or so of people with more power? I have, however, taken a different view now that I have seen it in place. I used to be concerned that other owners had more "power" than others. However, now, I see it just puts in a check and balances system in place....kinda like Congress and the President, with the Mods being Congress and the President being Mighty. Mighty has put a lot of work into this league. However, if the league (and I never see this happening under Mighty) has a majority of the owners wanting his removal, then, it just seems to me at that point he would step aside for the betterment of the league. So, I think the point is moot. I think anyone should be allowed to, if sufficiently upset, ask for a vote for Mighty to be replaced and maybe there would be X amount of seconds to that request for a vote to even take place. If it comes to that, then, so be it. But I believe all leagues need a strong and consistent presence to them and I have found, almost always, that is in the founder of the league. Those are my thoughts. Oh, and I shed a tear just now. Goodbye Jack Bauer. Well said Dan, That is exactly how I feel. I don't think Mighty will ever be a bad commissioner so I don't think that will be a big issue and theoretically after a couple years we will have a strong team of Mods that everyone agrees to year in and year out. (Hell, who knows, it may be this current team). I'm not looking for people to challenge certain Mods for their spot I'm looking for a group of Mods that everyone is satisfied and trusts. Meige, I totally understand and respect your thoughts (and too a degree completely agree with them). We have all season to discuss this so keep saying how you feel. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 1:21:21 GMT -5
I will RULE with an IRON FIST in my division. MUUUHHAAA HAAA HAAA! (Kidding.....however, my division will love me during roster verification time. Better keep those team transaction threads updated with all moves...)  |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 1:24:51 GMT -5
It's Mighty's call as to whether he wants his position to be one that can be voted on. At first, when I joined the other leagues these fellows are in (one of which blew up as has been referenced already here) I thought it was screwy to have Mods vote on trades, etc. I thought, why have a handful or so of people with more power? I have, however, taken a different view now that I have seen it in place. I used to be concerned that other owners had more "power" than others. However, now, I see it just puts in a check and balances system in place....kinda like Congress and the President, with the Mods being Congress and the President being Mighty. Sure, that's what you say in public because you're now a mod. You cannot question us now since you're one of us  . alright, so I'm gonna add in my view as a non-mod in this discussion. First off, Miege having to clarify that his comment earlier (something to the effect of what!? mods can be voted off) is a bad sign for the league right now. I see where some players are coming from in that you know this is an important draft since it frames the teams, but at the end of the day we can always change leadership if need be. I mean I know Denver is a bit harsh some times, but he definitely provides comic relief... as long as you don't take any of his insults remotely seriously.I'm having fun, I'm glued to the screen checking updates, trade blocks, picks, altering my game-plan, etc... (bear in mind all while I am in my almost final year of school...praying to get into my co-terminal masters degree, which is not healthy for my grades or relationship, so screw you all, I definitely have a program due tomorrow morning and was checking if JJ had made his pick all throughout my fraternity meeting). I think that's what this is supposed to be about and though I take things very seriously in that I want to maximize my value at every pick and make a team that will win every year (even this year, ya watch out richardson!), I'm having a good time. Ah, yes, someone who gets it! This is all in fun people. If you can't take some good natured ripping, you need a sense of humor... talk with hbcardinal, he gets it. Which isn't surprising considering he's in a frat. I think we all know what goes on there... ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 1:30:12 GMT -5
Well said Dan, That is exactly how I feel. I don't think Mighty will ever be a bad commissioner so I don't think that will be a big issue and theoretically after a couple years we will have a strong team of Mods that everyone agrees to year in and year out. (Hell, who knows, it may be this current team). I'm not looking for people to challenge certain Mods for their spot I'm looking for a group of Mods that everyone is satisfied and trusts. Meige, I totally understand and respect your thoughts (and too a degree completely agree with them). We have all season to discuss this so keep saying how you feel. Actually, that would be interesting. It would be like drumline! (Thinking).... On second thought, Ill agree to this if we do it like drumline. |
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Post by TrailDucker on May 26, 2010 1:37:17 GMT -5
Well said Dan, That is exactly how I feel. I don't think Mighty will ever be a bad commissioner so I don't think that will be a big issue and theoretically after a couple years we will have a strong team of Mods that everyone agrees to year in and year out. (Hell, who knows, it may be this current team). I'm not looking for people to challenge certain Mods for their spot I'm looking for a group of Mods that everyone is satisfied and trusts. Meige, I totally understand and respect your thoughts (and too a degree completely agree with them). We have all season to discuss this so keep saying how you feel. Actually, that would be interesting. It would be like drumline! (Thinking).... On second thought, Ill agree to this if we do it like drumline. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I was TOTALLY thinking of Drumline when I was typing that!!! we need people flashing their head lights to set up the rankings, D1 is a Mod |
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Post by Mighty Mouse on May 26, 2010 2:34:08 GMT -5
I'm flattered that you all think so highly of me after only a month! You are all right in that I have put a lot of work into setting this up, but it wasn't a solo effort. Trail Ducker deserves a lot of credit for helping me get it set up, and Miege as well, because his league provided the foundation for the rules in this league. The idea of voting on mods was one of the first things I thought of when I began to write the rules here. I came from a few leagues where I had multiple "run-ins" with the leadership. I came close to getting banned from one, and probably would have if the commissioner hadn't given up and blown the whole league apart. I threatened to leave another league (one that was already hurting for active owners) over rules issues and the treatment I got for questioning the "leadership". I know what is like to love your team but hate the league and not know what to do. You spend tons of time developing your roster, obsessing over draft picks, browsing the waiver wire, etc, and then you get so frustrated with the leadership of the league that you want just call it quits and move on. It sucks. The most important thing to me is that this league survives for many seasons. The real NBA is my model. It is has been around for 65 years, gone through mergers, expansion, relocation, and four commissioners. Rules have changed. Players, owners, and GMs have come and gone many times over. It changes, evolves, and ultimately perseveres. That is my hope for this league. I've found that when mods and commissioners are self-appointed with unlimited job security, things get stale. They can become elitist and condescending to new members. They can become stubborn and resistant to change. That is as likely to spell the death of a league as anything, and it must be avoided. Employee turnover is a natural occurrence in the business world, and it is here too. I have no intention of NOT being the commissioner next year. I hope the league runs smoothly enough that everyone has faith in me to continue on. However if that ever isn't the case, I'd much prefer to relinquish my spot to someone the league trusts more. I could do this for 20 years, or I could do it for 1. I don't care. I just want to know that the league is in good hands. As far as the logistics of voting for mods and commissioners, that still needs to be worked out. I'm open to suggestions |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 9:12:34 GMT -5
alright, so I'm gonna add in my view as a non-mod in this discussion. First off, Miege having to clarify that his comment earlier (something to the effect of what!? mods can be voted off) is a bad sign for the league right now. I see where some players are coming from in that you know this is an important draft since it frames the teams, but at the end of the day we can always change leadership if need be. I mean I know Denver is a bit harsh some times, but he definitely provides comic relief... as long as you don't take any of his insults remotely seriously. I'm having fun, I'm glued to the screen checking updates, trade blocks, picks, altering my game-plan, etc... (bear in mind all while I am in my almost final year of school...praying to get into my co-terminal masters degree, which is not healthy for my grades or relationship, so screw you all, I definitely have a program due tomorrow morning and was checking if JJ had made his pick all throughout my fraternity meeting). I think that's what this is supposed to be about and though I take things very seriously in that I want to maximize my value at every pick and make a team that will win every year (even this year, ya watch out richardson!), I'm having a good time. Wrap it up: 1) sorry for the tirade 2) my opinion: what's done is done, the mods know how the league feels, we can see what happens next, there's still plenty of drafting left to do 3) LeBron is a pussy! he ain't got nothing on my boy Devean George (FYI he's my next pick) Ah someone who understands that I don't mean to upset people. I just like being an asshole. +1 karma for Suns! And I look forward to our teams battling it out this season...I guess we may have to consider TD as a threat too...although, I cannot take his team name seriously (for the record, i hate smiley faces, but it makes my point that I am joking with TD here, as not to offend people. I am turning over a new leaf haha). |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 9:43:49 GMT -5
I'm flattered that you all think so highly of me after only a month! You are all right in that I have put a lot of work into setting this up, but it wasn't a solo effort. Trail Ducker deserves a lot of credit for helping me get it set up, and Miege as well, because his league provided the foundation for the rules in this league. Yes, did not mean to leave Tduck out. The appreciation was implied. I can't believe my original league is about to reach its fourth season. Quite amazing its been able to survive considering all the extenuating circumstances. True. All I'll say is this country is run by elitist, condescending dicks. We seem to be doing fine... well, depending on your definition of fine that is.  Until I start a mutiny to take over.... did I say that out loud? I was just joking. Yes.... joking |
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Post by TrailDucker on May 26, 2010 12:00:15 GMT -5
alright, so I'm gonna add in my view as a non-mod in this discussion. First off, Miege having to clarify that his comment earlier (something to the effect of what!? mods can be voted off) is a bad sign for the league right now. I see where some players are coming from in that you know this is an important draft since it frames the teams, but at the end of the day we can always change leadership if need be. I mean I know Denver is a bit harsh some times, but he definitely provides comic relief... as long as you don't take any of his insults remotely seriously. I'm having fun, I'm glued to the screen checking updates, trade blocks, picks, altering my game-plan, etc... (bear in mind all while I am in my almost final year of school...praying to get into my co-terminal masters degree, which is not healthy for my grades or relationship, so screw you all, I definitely have a program due tomorrow morning and was checking if JJ had made his pick all throughout my fraternity meeting). I think that's what this is supposed to be about and though I take things very seriously in that I want to maximize my value at every pick and make a team that will win every year (even this year, ya watch out richardson!), I'm having a good time. Wrap it up: 1) sorry for the tirade 2) my opinion: what's done is done, the mods know how the league feels, we can see what happens next, there's still plenty of drafting left to do 3) LeBron is a pussy! he ain't got nothing on my boy Devean George (FYI he's my next pick) Ah someone who understands that I don't mean to upset people. I just like being an asshole. +1 karma for Suns! And I look forward to our teams battling it out this season...I guess we may have to consider TD as a threat too...although, I cannot take his team name seriously (for the record, i hate smiley faces, but it makes my point that I am joking with TD here, as not to offend people. I am turning over a new leaf haha).  ;D  |
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