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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 4:14:45 GMT -5
Of course nothing is guaranteed, it's all about chances like in the lottery. Everyone wants a bigger chance, but of course that doesn't mean you get the big prize, but you always want to move closer to it. I'm sure you won't deny having Rose and Noah instead of MoWill and Shaq and then have a real substar instead of Jamison gives you a much better shot at a championship.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 9:31:19 GMT -5
Well, let me preface this by saying that if Kahn's moves work out, and the Wolves become contenders, it won't be because he is a genius. It will be mostly dumb luck... 1. Taking Flynn and Rubio when he KNEW Rubio would be less than thrilled about it. 2. Trying to trade Al Jefferson.... over and and over. 3. Drafting Wesley Johnson, then trading for Martell Webster. I know there's more, but I'm just too tired to remember it all. Ill come up with more tomorrow. First off, luck is involved in all success. Hard work is too. Hard work and correct decisions set you up for luck to tip the scales for you in some moments for ultimate success. Personally, I think it was dumb luck the Cav's got LeBron James. The lottery is dumb luck (ask the Wolves, who have been burned in the lottery for like.....forever). Where is Cleveland minus LeBron James? Who knows, but, I doubt as high on the basketball landscape as it has been with him. Cleveland was not a genius to get him. Cleveland had dumb luck. So just realize that you statement holds little water and if applied to Kahn and to Wolves must be applied elsewhere. 1. Ahhh the Flynn and Rubio argument. FYI, our back court SUCKED before that draft. Also, we were picking 5th overall so that wasn't likely enough money for Rubio to buy out his contract. Plus, I don't think (not sure about this but let's just run with it cause many players feel this way about Minnesota) he really wants to play for Minnesota badly. But guess what, he was a piece we were gonna need at some point in our rebuild process and is projected as a great PG. He should be drafted at that spot in the draft. Combine all of this and if you see why that pick was made. Now, Kahn knows one (or multiple) of the following things about Rubio when we make that pick. 1. He wanted to be picked higher in the draft and the money situation. 2. He is not "thrilled" to be selected by Minnesota and may drag his feet in coming over by a year or two. So, what do you do? You pick the best player available. I firmly believe Evans would have been the pick after Rubio had he still been available. Bottom line, the team felt Flynn was the best player available. Our team has not much depth at all and a lot of trash players (only a few decent ones). We have room on our roster for both Rubio and Flynn if need be. But Flynn makes it easy for the organization to be completely fine with Rubio maturing and developing his game overseas and then coming over after a couple of years when the Wolves have made many many many more moves and have set up a roster that is ready to start winning. And guess what? Rubio is now under a 4 year deal instead of 2 years into the deal and sick of all the losing and for sure looking to leave in 2 years. Now Rubio comes in, is given the starting PG role in 2011-2012 and Flynn has proven 1 of two things in those 2 years: 1. He is starter grade in the league and still is a moveable asset via trade. 2. He has proven not to be starter grade and now he becomes your backup. Where the hell is the harm in that? 2. I do not think Al Jefferson has been shopped until this offseason really. He is now being shopped because of the injury, some off the court stuff and, most importantly, a classic back to the basket big man who is a bit slow and does not play defense well is not a good fit for the new offense and defensive schemes. However, he and Love are starter grade. Now, having one come off the bench is a luxury and not a problem if you are set at all the other positions and have good overall depth. The Wolves are not. So, naturally you shop him. Other teams know all of this if you make it public or not. They always are talking on the phones about numerous names. All teams have smart basketball people and they know that Big Al and Love can't play consistently together because they both are the same sort of player and duplicate in a lot of areas. They also know that Big Al is the one with the game that does not fit the new system and is the one that will be traded at some point. He is like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. 3. Yes, the team drafted Wesley Johnson and then traded for Webster. As you already know for the future we are completely set at PG. We also are completely set at PF. At center we are trying to bring a former draft pick overseas and also resign Darko. So, that position is set. Cousins game is similar to Big Al. Not Big Al, but still a bit of a square peg (not bad mind you, just a style of play for the player) and we do not have the appropriate offense for said player. We have a round hole (building a transition running style team with Rubio as the facilitator and then when you have to go into offensive sets you use the Triangle offense). Favors would have also been a bad pick (unless you move Big Al or Love for certain). Turner was the best fit (we had no SG of real value) but our bad lottery luck ended that dream. Wesley Johnson comes in as our best SF. So, that pick makes sense. The team did not see a player at 16 that they wanted so they traded it for Webster. Webster can play SF and SG. So he will get minutes. He gives you quality depth at two positions at the very least. He also was the #6 overall pick in 2005 and is only 23 year old. That's Wesley Johnson's age. So he still has room to improve his game.
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Post by dunky69 on Jun 30, 2010 14:56:06 GMT -5
I also use to think Kahn was mentally challenged, but i actually kind of liked their draft this year. I like wesley as a rotation guy, he'll play d and he can hit a jumper. I also think webster was a good pick up for what they gave up.This is what shows me he isn't very bright: Curry was a huge talent to just skip over. If you watched flynn and curry in college, it was a no-brainer.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Jun 30, 2010 18:01:47 GMT -5
Kahn isn't a draft genius. I don't think Dan is trying to say that (at least I hope he isn't). I don't mind the Rubio pick, because I still think he will be the best PG to come out of that draft. Dude is REAL. Flynn was just dumb though. It was dumb when it happened (because you just took a PG and there were better players still on the board), and it was dumb in hindsight because even if you drafted another PG, it should have been Curry or Jennings before Flynn.
I don't mind him TRYING to trade Jefferson, if you get good value back then why not? If you trade him for peanuts, then you are dumb, but he hasn't done that yet.
And I also really like the Webster / Babbit trade for Minny. Marty was one of my favorite Blazers and I'm pissed to see him traded for a rookie who probably won't do jack shit in the league. I hope Webster can find success in Minnesota and I think he will if they can give him 30 minutes a night. Inconsistent PT and an ill-defined role were all that were holding him back in Portland. He's a great (but streaky) shooter with the prettiest stroke you've ever seen, and a stud defender who hustles all game long.
Marty was a great pick up at that point in the draft.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Jun 30, 2010 18:31:40 GMT -5
Here are my last minute CRAZY Free Agent predictions before the mayhem starts at midnight:
The Knicks: They get shut out by LeBron and Co, but they pull off a masterful coup by signing Dirk Nowitzki and Joe Johnson (to an overpaid max deal of course) and picking up Steve Nash. I don't know how they get Nash, but they do. JJ and Nash are reunited with D'Antoni. Nash and Dirk are running together again, and the Knicks are one C away from contending (not that Nash or Dirk will ever WIN a title . . .)
The Heat: Assured by the King that he will be signing with Miami, Chris Bosh takes a deal with the Heat. But LeBron decides he's good enough to win a title on his own (hahahaha) and would rather not share the money and attention with his buddies in South Beach. The consolation prize for the Heat is David Lee and a Wade/Bosh/Lee makes the Heat the favorites in the East.
The Bulls: Amare Stoudemire ends up in a Bulls uniform. Amare/Rose/Noah vs. Wade/Bosh/Lee becomes the most epic "Big 3" match-up in the league. Chicago or Miami ends up in the finals out of the east every season until Wade retires and the powers shift again.
The Nets: Nothing goes right for the Nets either. After losing out on John Wall and Evan Turner in the lottery and LeBron / Bosh / and Wade in Free Agency, the Russian goes for broke and signs Rudy Gay, Carlos Boozer, and Tracy McGrady (because he wants a "star"). Paired with Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, and Derrick Favors, Gay and Boozer turn the Nets into a 2nd round play-off team for the next 10 years.
LeBron James: He shocks the world and takes Dirk's spot in Dallas. Mark Cuban agrees to give him the final say on all player movement and draft picks. LeBron still doesn't win a title . . . EVER.
The Cavs: The Cavs sign Mike Miler because he wears LeBrons and that is kinda close to BEING LeBron. No one around the country even notices, except Blazer fans who viewed Miller as the "final piece", a shooter off the bench who carries the Blazers into the finals. Portland is very disappointed and so is Mike Miler when he notices that LeBron isn't still in Cleveland.
I hope I didn't leave anyone out.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Jul 7, 2010 16:13:05 GMT -5
Bosh is leaving Toronto!!!! Bargnani just became (nearly) untouchable. Woo hoo, the gamble paid off!!!!
And Boozer is leaving Utah. That just makes me happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2010 16:33:22 GMT -5
Everybody knew that Bosh would leave Toronto !
You can't say this was a big surprise...
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Jul 7, 2010 17:03:25 GMT -5
I'm not even a little bit surprised, hence the Bargnani draft pick. I'm just stoked that it didn't backfire on me!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2010 18:15:44 GMT -5
You won't be as happy if Bargnani collapses under the defensive pressure without Bosh in the paint But I'm glad anyway since he'll be joining Miami!
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Post by Munich Barons GM on Jul 8, 2010 0:46:47 GMT -5
And Boozer is leaving Utah. That just makes me happy. Me and Millsap too^^ And hopefully after Bosh the Heat get a great Team around the 2 superstars.
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Post by thewattsy on Jul 12, 2010 6:09:14 GMT -5
interesting to see turk going to phoenix for barbosa and josh childress is returning to the NBA to phoenix as well
how many SF's do the suns want?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 6:47:09 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not very happy with it because I thought Dudley would be filling up for the aging Grant, but it looks like the Suns had other plans. Turk will likely start as PF though.
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Post by dunky69 on Jul 12, 2010 14:01:39 GMT -5
I like what the suns did. It gives them a lot of options to start and come off the bench. Why cant childress and dudley play together off the bench? And whos says somebody won't start for hill.Gentry likes to use his bench so there I don't think playing time will be too much of a problem for duds.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Jul 12, 2010 14:25:22 GMT -5
I like the Suns moves too, but they aren't a playoff team anymore without Amar'e. Turkoglu and Childress were just signed to stop the bleeding. Turk at PF? Thats a matchup problem for a lot of teams, but its a bigger match-up problem for the Suns.
They will be fun to watch though.
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